and has been accepted by griffin and others, steve clemens who's notable in washington on foreign policy has argued that hagel is progay and very committed to these issues. this will, again, wash out in the discussions. likely this is going to be a touchstone in the near term. but hopefully as the commentary goes forward, people will see that chuck hagel is the right man for the job. >> we talked about the democrats who have some concerns of their own. there's the new political article that cites a senate democratic official as saying this. quote, i don't think dems just fall in line. ultimately he may be confirmed. at this stage his fate is totally up in the air. he will really have to work hard to overcome some of his previous statements and positions. if you take us inside that confirmation room, for most americans who may not know chuck hagel very well, who's the person they're going to see? what will be his demeanor when he's answering some of these tough questions? >> they're going to see an american hero. someone who won two purple hearts. an enlisted man in vietnam. a man who has